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  from 
              a male submissive's point of view by semanticus 
 
 
 In 
          a post to Dom-sub 
          Lifestyle listserv on Yahoo dated 6/16/02 this exchange took 
          place. I originally wrote this as a post in reply, but since it was 
          so long, and since it seemed like a good topic for this edition's column, 
          and since I am too lazy to write what I originally planned to write, 
          I present it here. The post was, and I stress that it was, a well thought 
          out question with a rare depth of feeling and concern. It also was very 
          basic to the flavor of this column. The post was:  
 IMHO, 
              the answer to the question in the 3rd paragraph as to why we have 
              come to "normalize abnormal behaviour [sic]" may be in 
              the 2nd paragraph immediately above the 3rd in which is said:  I'd 
              really hate to think I've spun my wheels for 35 years trying to 
              get a handle on a problem that has caused me (and some others) so 
              much turmoil in my life, only to find that it's 'normal'.  My 
              view is, that if you have truly tried without success to "cure" 
              something, perhaps it does not need curing (ie., it is not inherently 
              unhealthy, or only so to the extent that your perceptions and values 
              make it) or it is largely "uncurable." I think the second 
              situation often obtains concerning BDSM, although a strong case 
              can be made for the first point of view, and often by me.  As 
              to the consideration of a behavior's "uncurability," from 
              my personal experience I have tried without success to modify certain 
              behaviors, for example a "shame spiral" and have been 
              totally unsuccessful. I can manage one, I can apply an antidote, 
              I can counteract a shame spiral, but I cannot stop one from being 
              triggered within me. The same has been my story with anger, even 
              rage, which I will address at the end in an exactly parallel management 
              technique as for a "shame spiral."  First, 
              some definitions. Shame is an emotion that we have to be taught. 
              Healthy shame is the basis of our spirituality--there is a God, 
              and you ain't it, or if you are, so are all the other folks in the 
              world. Healthy shame is humility. It is where your rights end and 
              the other fellow's begin. You are as-shamed of anti-social behaviors. 
              For example, little boys are famous for pulling it out and peeing 
              in public, once. Until they are shamed to learn that that is not 
              socially acceptable. And the difference between healthy shame in 
              a society and toxic shame probably is in the benefits either affords 
              or costs, as the case may be, the individual.  Toxic 
              shame comes from being "shamed" by our primary care givers 
              in childhood. It may be emotional ("You shouldn't feel that, 
              that is so dumb or bad to feel that"). It may be intellectual 
              ("Where did you get such a silly idea! That is so dumb. You 
              shouln't think that!") Shaming may be physical (the child is 
              spanked, slapped, beaten, etc.). Shaming may be spiritual ("There 
              is no God" or the old standby, "God will punish you for 
              that.") And shaming may be from sexual abuse (fondling, inappropriate 
              talk or jokes or compliments, say about a young person's physical 
              development, around a child, actual penetration, etc.). All of these 
              give the message that the child is inferior, less than, inadequate, 
              just an object, not fully valid as a human being, broken in a way 
              that cannot be fixed. The child has to take on the badness of the 
              shame, for if the perpertrator is the one in the wrong, the poor 
              kid is dead meat--the child totally depends on that caregiver for 
              life. It is an issue of life or death to the child. It is that serious! 
               A 
              "shame spiral," also called a "toxic shame [attack]", 
              is for me, now an adult, and for all I know who have dealt with 
              them to the best of their abilities as adults, is that "depression" 
              that follows a [shaming] thought triggered by the residual pain 
              of childhood abuse. I literally hear the primary woman in my life 
              (my wife, Mistress Cherie) say something that sounds just like (to 
              me) something my mother would have said when I was very little. 
              Even the body language and tone of voice (non-verbal cues) are so 
              similar.* No matter what was said in the now by that now-primary 
              woman in my life, it triggers a recollection on many levels, and 
              I hear (in my case), "Nobody loves me; nobody cares." 
              And that is an actual self-talk voice that my mind says those very 
              words to me over and over as I spiral down into shame which I experience 
              as depression.  This 
              is where the model (an analogy to reality) gets a bit hokey, except 
              for the great benefit of being very useful in predicting my behavior. 
              Thus, it is a good model or theory, because it is useful. Theories 
              or models are neither true or false, they are only useful or not. 
              The model is that there is an inner child within me, still wounded 
              by whatever the abuse, real or perceived way back when, and the 
              "wounded inner child" tells me, "Nobody loves me; 
              nobody cares." The now adult me hears that voice chanting its 
              toxic and hypnotic mantra, and, having nothing to fall back on, 
              believes it--in that sense I am still that immature child in emotional 
              pain with no relief in sight except the unreasonable and unworkable 
              demand that the now primary woman in my life "fix" me. 
              She must change. That's called blame, and it will not endear you 
              to your mate.  The 
              short version is, "someone hit my button." Note that when 
              I say that, I am blaming her, failing to recognize or acknowledge 
              that it is, after all my damn button! And sometimes it sticks out 
              real far!  As 
              I hear that voice self talking to me, I start to feel my toxic shame, 
              and I spiral into a depression. The depression may be identified 
              as pouting, or feeling sorry for myself, or many other things, but 
              it is the emotion of toxic shame, it is depression--I shut down 
              for safety--to hide, to not strike back, to protect myself in some 
              way(s).  Now 
              here is the point as to why I cannot avoid such a "shame spiral;" 
              I can only manage one. Since, according to the model, it is my "inner 
              wounded child," the only relief is to become my own parent, 
              and counter the self talk with exactly this, "Yes, it looks 
              like nobody loves you, no one cares, but I love you [the adult me 
              to me the child], I care, and God loves you and God cares, and that 
              is enough." Then literally in my mind, I take my "child" 
              by the hand and parent him, removing him physically and emotionally 
              from the scene, taking him to a safe place where "they" 
              won't shame him (by hitting his buttons). I may even imagine taking 
              him to the park to play or watching a favorite TV program or ball 
              game. In this way I manage the shame spiral--I just make it ok to 
              have one and, in effect, know that the feeling will go away, especially 
              if the adult me nurtures the wounded child me, and THAT THE FEELING 
              OF SHAME WILL NOT KILL ME [not shouting], because the adult me will 
              not abandon the inner child, and to a 3 year old child, abandonment 
              is death. Without someone to take care of him, a 3 or 6 year old 
              child dies, because he cannot survive without care and protection. 
              As I said above, it is an issue of life or death to the (inner) 
              child. That, in my opinion, is why all these issues are practically 
              untreatable--shame, S&M, anger, rage, and others. Not knowing 
              that the emotion or emotional behavior is the result of childhood 
              trauma, it is still experiences by the adult as life threatening. 
               And 
              yes, I do not believe I was born a slave or a submissive. I learned 
              it. Real early, so I might as well have been born that way, but 
              I learned it, probably before I learned to talk. A fine point could 
              be made that I was born a submissive, since I believe that so much 
              of this childhood "shaming" took place prior to my "psychological 
              birth," at about 8 year old when our brains finally get fully 
              formed or "wired," that then, well yes, in that sense 
              I was born this way. And that is probably a valid point of view 
              as long as environment is taken into account.  Well, 
              now, one might say, "semanticus, if you believe all that about 
              the inner child and it works up to that point, why don't you just 
              go the last step and heal completely, and not let whatever hit your 
              button trigger you? Just getrid of the button."  The 
              answer is that not only is the trigger something that is said to 
              me, it is non-verbal messages--looks, glares, body language, threatening 
              movements, sighs, eyes rolling, and so on, [emphasis again] THAT 
              I LEARNED BEFORE I LEARNED TO TALK. So how can I talk myself out 
              of it? I can address the spoken part only so far. The non-spoken 
              part and the attachment of the verbal to the non-verbal part that 
              I cannot shake, remains. So to expect complete recovery is fantasy. 
              That, IMHO, is why Freud never cured anyone (besides his being a 
              coke addict). Or any other "talking therapy" has never 
              cured anyone. They are useful, but only to a point to where we can 
              learn to recognize the onset and manage it as an adult would. That 
              is as good as the cure gets.  So, 
              I believe from my personal experience and the sharings of many, 
              many others, that in the most basic sense the thing this poster 
              cries out against is "normal" precisely because we all 
              have some of it in us, no matter what the problem. We all had less 
              that perfect parenting, and we all reacted in childishly fearful 
              ways to turn those incidents, no matter how horendous or trivial, 
              into big deals today. And we still carry them, and have scant chance 
              to eliminate them entirely. That, by any definition of the poor 
              term, "normal," makes it "normal."  As 
              to why, refering to the 1st quoted paragraph, about "today's" 
              outlook(s), that anything goes--that is because we have the luxury 
              in our abundant society in which to have such problems. They never 
              come up in a survival oriented society which are inherently either 
              patriarchial or matriarcal--everyone is too busy following the orders 
              "from above," because if they don't family members will 
              perish--they die! Patriarchy or Matriarchy or benevelent dictatorship, 
              or a general in war--those systems work for survival existances. 
              Everyone has to do his job or loved ones die. In a world of plenty, 
              we can "follow our bliss," as Joseph Campbell said, and 
              we have time for self discovery, introspection, self determination, 
              personal growth, assertiveness, but with those things comes a price--the 
              pain of what went wrong back then. It is the Tree of Knowledge (the 
              Biblical Tree of Good and Evil) all over again.  But 
              if you gotta get your share of that crop in before the locusts arrive, 
              you ain't got time for self contemplation. In fact, self contemplation 
              might killl you and others. That is the nature of having to live 
              only for survival.  Allow 
              me to add a thought to the signature line of this poster as a new 
              sense of what we may be made up of. He said, in quotes:  I 
              would hasten to add, "--and your past."  Sigmund 
              semanticus  *And 
              we wonder why we men marry our mother, and why the ladies marry 
              dad! To get resolution! To work through this stuff!!! I remember 
              Barbara DeAngeles crying loudly to a lady at a lecture I attended, 
              "It's his JOB to push your buttons!" 
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